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Two-Minute Mysteries / Re: Two Minute Mysteries
« Last post by Kattrup on January 15, 2026, 04:36:03 pm »
14.  Not only did the press cast aspersions upon the female witnesses in and out of court,
Judge Smyth and several attorneys made less than salutary remarks about them at
trial. 
 In addition to verbal insults, defense counsel 'Manny' Friend, upon approaching the witness
 stand where the nervous Mary Corcoran was seated in anticipation of cross-examination,
 noticeably recoiled in a manner that suggested that Mary smelled poorly. This was reported in the
papers.
I remember the situation but not the people. Was it not someone else besides Corcoran?
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Two-Minute Mysteries / Re: Two Minute Mysteries
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 15, 2026, 01:43:08 pm »
15. The defense protested mightily against Francis Wellman bringing up some of Ali's past within his opening remarks.
 Because of this, Judge Smyth would warn the defense about commenting on some of the witnesses' criminal past that
had nothing to do with the case at hand when they eventually took the witness stand.
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Two-Minute Mysteries / Re: Two Minute Mysteries
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 15, 2026, 11:05:13 am »
14.  Not only did the press cast aspersions upon the female witnesses in and out of court,
Judge Smyth and several attorneys made less than salutary remarks about them at
trial. 
 In addition to verbal insults, defense counsel 'Manny' Friend, upon approaching the witness
 stand where the nervous Mary Corcoran was seated in anticipation of cross-examination,
 noticeably recoiled in a manner that suggested that Mary smelled poorly. This was reported in the
papers.
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General Discussion / Re: The Seventh Woman
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 14, 2026, 04:27:49 pm »
Hey, I gotta redeem myself somehow, after my poor showing in the Minute Mysteries!


You've got that right, mister. ;D

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General Discussion / Re: The Seventh Woman
« Last post by Kattrup on January 14, 2026, 04:05:02 pm »
   Thanks for bringing up Briscoe, otherwise I might not have double checked.

Hey, I gotta redeem myself somehow, after my poor showing in the Minute Mysteries!
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General Discussion / Re: The Seventh Woman
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 14, 2026, 10:18:40 am »
Pete:

    This was in the June 29th NY Evening World article that I posted at the beginning of the thread.



   The 7 here were:
   1. Miniter
   2. Carter...written as Cortes.....apparently Clip was in The Tombs for eight weeks too!
   3. Healy
   4. Lopez
   5. Sullivan
   6. English
   7. Briscoe.....she WAS one of the 7 women.....

   ....meaning that Mary Harrington was either overlooked or brought in separately.
  Corcoran and McGovern were never jailed.

   Thanks for bringing up Briscoe, otherwise I might not have double checked.

  Carter's name wasn't on the list of witnesses, either.
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General Discussion / Re: The Seventh Woman
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 14, 2026, 09:52:55 am »
Pete:

I just re-examined the transcript, and unless I overlooked it once again, her name wasn't written down.

However, you may be right about her being the 7th woman. It just seems very unusual that she would have been
kept in the Tombs if there was no intention for her to testify. The same holds true for Lizzie Carter, also in the Tombs
on the 11th of May. Neither testified at the Inquest.  Briscoe had been staying at O'Connor's Ranch, on Roosevelt
Street at the beginning of the investigation.

If you recall, Carter's mom visited her on a Wednesday, according to the Meriden Daily Republican of July 13th. That
Wednesday would have been on July 8th. This article leaves the impression that she testified, but that part of it is absolutely false.

 Meriden (Ct.) Daily Republican
July 13, 1891
***********




It's like anything else, Pete. Either press incompetence or them taking liberties when they publish reports.
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General Discussion / Re: The Seventh Woman
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 14, 2026, 09:19:20 am »
Pete:
 
 I didn't add Briscoe for two reasons. One, being that her name does not appear on the list of witnesses.
Two, she was not called to testify. It didn't seem to make sense that they would keep her in The Tombs
for two months if the prosecution didn't intend on having her testify ( Probably in relation to the summer
 of 1890 incident at Harrington's). All of the other women on the list....the known six, plus Corcoran and
McGovern, did testify and did have their names on the list of witnesses. All, with the possible exception
of McGovern, and definite exception of Healy, testified at the Inquest.

Let me go back looking through the trial transcript. You may be right about Briscoe.

At the aborted Coroner's Inquest of April 30th, Briscoe, along with Lizzie Carter, Mary Reilly, Florence May, were said to have
been present.


UPDATE:
 Pete.. according to the May 11th Evening World, Briscoe was in The Tombs ( so was Carter). I'm going to look
once again at the trial transcript.
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General Discussion / Re: The Seventh Woman
« Last post by Kattrup on January 14, 2026, 08:42:52 am »
I think it was Dublin Mary?

She was arrested as a witness on the 28th, and considered a “very important witness” (NY Times) and we know she was present in court, being called Ali’s lover, although she did not testify.


What do you think?
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General Discussion / The Seventh Woman
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 14, 2026, 07:55:26 am »
Three officers led seven female witnesses, taking the perp walk, from The Tombs
to Court......

Who was the 7th woman?

Definites:
1. Miniter
2. Harrington
3. Healy
4. English
5. Lopez
6. Sullivan

List of the 39 witnesses....8 were women.

https://carriebrown.createaforum.com/general-discussion/complete-set-of-witnesses-inquest-trial/msg4413/#msg4413

New York Evening World
June 29, 1891
************

.
Catherine McGovern, whose name does not appear in the New York or Brooklyn papers in connection to the case or anything else
during 1891, does appear in newspapers from Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey in June. The clippings, all identical, state
that the June 29th testimony in court was merely a repetition of the Coroner's Inquest testimony. However, unless the transcriber
decided not to write down anything McGovern may have said at the Coroner's Inquest, her trial testimony was one of the statements
said to have been one of the repetitions.

I don't believe she was the 7th woman.

....which leaves us with Corcoran.

I believe that Corcoran, while not actually imprisoned in the Tombs like the other women, rendezvoused with the women
who had been sent to The Tombs, and from there they were all escorted to court.
Corcoran said she worked at the Hotel while testifying at the trial ( she, by the way, had black hair...she wasn't one of the numerous redheads in court)
All six of the women listed earlier, including Ali, were sent from Oak Street to The Tombs on May 2nd.

I don't think McGovern associated with any of the other women.

On a strange note, Corcoran's full name does not appear in any local newspapers in April or May of 1891....but the name Annie Corcoran does.
Her actual name appeared in late June.
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