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Editorials & Essays / Re: A Key Problem
« Last post by Kattrup on February 27, 2026, 12:35:54 pm »
Let's consider the following scenario:  My wife asks me to purchase cleaning sponges for our home. She wants sponges
of one type with cellulose on one side ( a durable, hybrid sponge) and others with no cellulose. The more durable cellulose sponges are for the
bathroom, and the non-cellulose sponges are for other areas of the home, such as for dishes and glasswork. My wife didn't purchase the sponges
but knows which ones are for what room and for what use.

What's the difference between Jennings sending someone to purchase keys for his hotel and my wife sending me to the store to purchase sponges for her home?
Nothing, as far as I can detect.
One difference is that your wife runs your home, Jennings had little to do with day to day running of the hotel. By the time he was asked, he hadn't even owned the hotel in years.

The police at the time - 1891 - stated the key was brass. Someone would have told them that. Jennings, ten years later, including about six years of not even owning the hotel, stated keys of both sorts were used in the hotel, and he believed the ones on the fifth floor were iron.

I think it likely he was mistaken.

So the difference is Nina sending you to buy some sponges for a property she rarely goes to, then the property burning and Nina not owning it for years, until ten years later, she's asked what kind the sponges were. Although she may remember asking for a specific type of sponge, does she know or remember which kind you actually bought?
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General Discussion / Re: Search Request & Notes To Self
« Last post by Kattrup on February 27, 2026, 12:18:06 pm »
The Sun April 25th - it did contain a sketch, but also the following passage:

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General Discussion / Re: Search Request & Notes To Self
« Last post by Kattrup on February 27, 2026, 12:13:26 pm »
Pittsburg Dispatch, April 25 1891

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Same paper, April 26

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General Discussion / Outlets From The Stairs
« Last post by Howard Brown on February 27, 2026, 09:10:08 am »
"Shine implies that he passed out through the box..."  Reporter at the Trial.
Yeah, because Shine didn't see Ali leave on the morning of the 24th....Fitzgerald did.
Shine was referring to the day before, Thursday morning, the 23rd.
Another five-star piece of reporting.

The door has been opened in the photo... for those of a faint heart.




New York Evening World
June 30, 1891
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Editorials & Essays / A Key Problem
« Last post by Howard Brown on February 27, 2026, 05:39:48 am »
Some may question whether James Jennings' position, as stated in his affidavit, on the key George Damon turned in during 1901, was accurate.

It has been suggested a while back that Jennings was probably not the person who purchased the keys, so that
when he stated that the Hotel used keys made from a different ( iron ) metal than brass, he was mistaken. Jennings confirms that
he assigned someone ( Tommy Thompson) to purchase keys for the hotel, sort of like when my wife assigns me to get specific items from local stores.

Let's consider the following scenario:  My wife asks me to purchase cleaning sponges for our home. She wants sponges
of one type with cellulose on one side ( a durable, hybrid sponge) and others with no cellulose. The more durable cellulose sponges are for the
bathroom, and the non-cellulose sponges are for other areas of the home, such as for dishes and glasswork. My wife didn't purchase the sponges
but knows which ones are for what room and for what use.

What's the difference between Jennings sending someone to purchase keys for his hotel and my wife sending me to the store to purchase sponges for her home?
Nothing, as far as I can detect.

My wife knows exactly what sponge is for what purpose and where it goes, and Jennings, in his affidavit, is clear in his detailed deposition
that iron keys....not brass....were used on the fifth floor.  No hesitation. No pause for reflection or contemplation. He examined the key
in front of Ovide Robillard, Ali's attorney. Unless Robillard went deaf, dumb, and blind when Jennings filed his affidavit, he knew there was a potentially big problem
with the key Damon turned in. There are no two ways about it. The only alternative is that Robillard may have felt Jennings was mistaken and let it slide, but at least
he was cognizant of the potential problems with Jennings not attaching the key to Room 31.

The other scenario, the one I believe in but won't try to prove, is that Robillard didn't care whether the key was authentic or not. The key represented a means
of getting Ali out of prison and a new, bright feather in his hat as an attorney if the pardon campaigners could pull it off.

Other points in favor of Jennings not being mistaken:

1. Is it remotely believable that Thompson, a manager of the Hotel and employee of Jennings for 8 years, and Jennings, were never together
with the keys Thompson purchased and Jennings not knowing which keys went where? Is it possible that during the eight years they are together,
Thompson never once comes back from purchasing the keys, shows them to Jennings, and the floors or rooms where the different types of keys go aren't mentioned?

2. Is it believable that Jennings, in all the time he was proprietor, never entered a room on the fifth floor, using an iron key or not knowing what type of key
was for those rooms?

3. Jennings had no dog in the fight and probably didn't care one way or the other whether the pardon campaigns flopped or succeeded.



District Attorney's Office
City & County of New York
June 1901
 In The Matter Of The Application For Pardon Of 'Frenchy' Alias Amer Ben Ali
State, City, And County Of New York
James Jennings, being duly sworn, deposes and says that he resides at 2106
Madison Avenue, in the Borough of Manhattan, in the City of New York; that he
was the proprietor of the East River Hotel, # 14 Catherine Slip in said City and
Borough at the time of the killing in said hotel of the woman known as
'Shakespeare'; that he had been the proprietor of said hotel some four of five years
prior to the time of said murder; and that he gave up the place and moved away
from there about four or five months after said murder.
That a man named Thomas Thompson, since deceased, had charge of and
attended to the letting of the rooms and had charge of the keys.
That the brass key shown him, deponent, in the presence of Mr. Robillard, counsel
for the prisoner, so far as he is aware, was never used in the hotel of which he was
then the proprietor; that Room 31 was on the top floor; that as far as he has any
recollection all the rooms on that particular floor, at the time of said murder, had
iron keys with brass oblong tags attached; that the keys on the other three floors
of the hotel were some of brass and some of iron; that all the keys had brass tags
some round and scalloped, some oblong, some may have been square, but all the
tags varied from about an inch to an inch and a half long, and from an inch to an
inch and a half wide, and that no tag was as small as the one on the key now
produced.
Sworn to me on the 10th day of June,1901
William H. Broderick, Notary Public








All arguments to the contrary welcome. ;)
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General Discussion / Re: Search Request & Notes To Self
« Last post by Howard Brown on February 26, 2026, 07:57:14 pm »
Good luck, amigo. ;)
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General Discussion / Re: Search Request & Notes To Self
« Last post by Kattrup on February 26, 2026, 06:39:16 pm »
I am certain it was mentioned once or twice, will have a look for it tomorrow
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General Discussion / Re: Search Request & Notes To Self
« Last post by Howard Brown on February 26, 2026, 10:43:01 am »
Expanding a bit on the previous research request......

Pete found a source in which the type of metal that the key George Damon turned in during 1901 was claimed to have been bronze.
The out-of-town paper was incorrect in stating it was made of bronze. The paper apparently misread what Damon
said in an affidavit. Damon's key was brass, not bronze.

 
Now...the request is to find a reference to what type of metal the key was made of in newspapers from April or May 1891.

I can tell you that I have yet to find one....in Manhattan or Brooklyn newspapers.

The NY Sun and NY Evening World featured a sketch of the room key in their April 25th editions.....but not
a description of what type of metal.

Although one or two papers sketched the key....I do not think the metal it was made of was mentioned.
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General Discussion / Re: Frenchy #2
« Last post by Howard Brown on February 25, 2026, 05:53:01 pm »
 The Joseph Franks question.....

1. I can find no mention of a man named Joseph Franks, in any capacity, in newspapers published in the city of New York during April or May, 1891.
There are articles from Manchester, England to Montana that contain virtually the same story about a Joseph Franks being taken before
D.A. Nicoll and is suspected of being the man who accompanied Carrie Brown to Room 31.

I don't think this fellow existed, and that it is simply another example of one news source goofing up, and as a result, all the newspapers dependent on
that news agency repeating the mistake in their papers. There are a couple of upstate New York papers that mention a Joseph Franks, but none in
the immediate area. None in Brooklyn, either.

At the moment, I have no idea who, or even if, a man was brought in for questioning on April 30th.

This excerpt has Judge Martine assigning counsel for Joseph Franks....which, of course, did not happen.
He assigned counsel for Amer Ben Ali.
The reference to the Inquest postponement to May 11 is correct, however.

Buffalo Post
May 1, 1891
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Sketches & Photographs / The City Morgue
« Last post by Howard Brown on February 24, 2026, 05:17:02 pm »
 The City Morgue was located 2.6 miles from Catherine Slip in the Kips Bay neighborhood, situated near the East River.
 The address was 400 East 29th Street at the southeast corner of First Avenue, adjacent to Bellevue Hospital.

This photo circa 1905.





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New York Evening World
April 27, 1891
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