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General Discussion / Re: The Doris Museum: Scraping The Bottom
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 19, 2026, 07:05:03 am »
Ali was arrested at 8:20 pm on the 24th.
That was only seventeen hours and forty minutes before the Baseball Extra edition was on the streets.

Adolph Kallenberg was arrested at 1:00 a.m. on April 25th, four hours and forty minutes after Ali was picked up
and thirteen hours before the Baseball Extra edition was published.

Did the Doris Musee know about the Kallenberg arrest? Kallenberg was taken to the 6th Precinct ( Elizabeth Street)
Station. This station and the Oak Street Station were equidistant from Chatham Square, where Kallenberg was
picked up by an Officer Miller.

I lean toward the museum people knowing about both arrests. If they were so intent on setting up an exhibit, they'd
have been paying attention to what the police were doing, even at 1:00 am, or, at least, by the time they'd sent the
Evening World their text of the advertisement they wanted in the first edition of the paper.

Several possibilities here. One, being the possibility that a man came forward and confessed to the
crime. Another is that Miniter may have seen 'C.Kniclo' being brought into Oak Street Station during a police roundup,
while she and the other detainees were being held on the 24th or early on the 25th. In each case, neither Ali or Kallenberg would
remain as suspects....before the ad was featured in the Evening World.

Another could have simply been the police releasing 'Frenchy' for some unforeseen reason at that time. They probably
would have reworded the ad to simply include 'Jack The Ripper'.



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Sketches & Photographs / Re: Coroner Inquest Members
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 18, 2026, 10:00:16 pm »
On a serious note, Pete.....have you noticed how some of the trial and Inquest jurors did jury duty or were at least
considered for it were involved in other cases a little while later?
In 1891, there were approximately 1,500,000 people living in Manhattan. At first, I thought only registered voters
were chosen.....but the fact that three people were chosen from both John Street and Beekman Street for the Inquest that
never took place, makes me think otherwise.

Check out the 5th post on this thread.....

https://carriebrown.createaforum.com/general-discussion/juror-benjamin-h-wasserman/msg5694/#msg5694
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Sketches & Photographs / Re: Coroner Inquest Members
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 18, 2026, 09:54:05 pm »
Ja, ja, ja, das ist gut!

Sohn Jacob, Vater Jacob und Onkel Augie Strassburg vergnügen sich beim Kleinedeutschland-Festival in der Lower East Side im Jahr 1892!!!

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Sketches & Photographs / Re: Coroner Inquest Members
« Last post by Kattrup on January 18, 2026, 07:21:36 pm »
And here he is participating in a charity ball that Ruppert Jr. helped arrange

From NY Tribune, 9 February 1893

Under the heading Germans Dance for Charity:

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Sketches & Photographs / Re: Coroner Inquest Members
« Last post by Kattrup on January 18, 2026, 07:15:32 pm »


That leaves only Charles Iden.....
He’s a tough one.

Charles William Iden, 1855-1906. Married Dora W. Stegman.

Active in manufacturing lamps and various electrical fittings. Applied for a number of electrical patents.
Lived for a long time at 42 University Place, where his brother Henry Jr also lived. Charles company, or one of them, at least (he was active in other business ventures) was Iden & co, address 44 University place.
Their father was a successful German immigrant who built 42-50 University Place.

Charles was for many years a member of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. He was a mason, member of NY lodge 330.
Charles died January 8 1906 at his then home at 244 West 71st Street.

Haven’t found a photo yet, seems unlikely, unfortunately.

Iden was sworn in on the Grand Jury, January term, but the judge said there were no important cases.

Evening world, January 2 1894

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General Discussion / Re: 1897 Major Theft Of Damon & Peets
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 17, 2026, 05:22:29 pm »
Pete:

I found it interesting when Damon said that Horner " Fortunately, he has not hurt the firm financially...."

$20,000 in 1897 has the buying power of roughly $780,000 to over $800,000 in 2026 dollars.

 ::) ::) ::)


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General Discussion / Re: 1897 Major Theft Of Damon & Peets
« Last post by Kattrup on January 17, 2026, 04:53:00 pm »
Thanks Howard. Sad story.

But I found it interesting, or that’s perhaps too strong a word, let’s say I noticed that Damon said Horner jr had visited him at his home.
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General Discussion / The Doris Museum: Scraping The Bottom
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 17, 2026, 02:11:34 pm »
 In the 1890s, The Evening World  typically began releasing its daily editions in the early afternoon, with special editions continuing throughout the day.
Evidence from 1890 shows editions labeled as "EXTRA 2 O'CLOCK" and "5 O'CLOCK SPECIAL", indicating a rapid, recurring, and evolving publication schedule aimed at afternoon readers

The Baseball Extra came out at 2:00 pm.....the earliest edition of the paper.

So much for respecting the dead.
I remember reading this a few years ago, and I think I forgot to mention it.

One calendar day after Carrie's corpse was discovered....this clipping appeared in the
New York Evening World's Baseball Extra edition, on April 25th on the first page. Exactly 24 hours.
after the Evening World announced the murder on the front page of the April 24th Baseball Extra edition.

It means that the Doris Museum had already set in motion a plan to create an exhibit less than 24 hours
after her body was discovered for exhibition. Maybe even within several hours......
A world record for sheer crassness.

New York Evening World
Baseball Extra
Page 1
April 25, 1891
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Other threads on similar issues:

Cash and Carrie: Profiting From The Murder

https://carriebrown.createaforum.com/general-discussion/cash-carrie-profiting-from-the-murder/msg3467/#msg3467

Business As Usual

https://carriebrown.createaforum.com/general-discussion/business-as-usual/msg4601/#msg4601

In our book ( An Illustrated Encyclopedia & A to Z ), there's a chapter on Commercialism, which contains the information
found in the threads above.

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General Discussion / Lower East Side Women In The Case : A Complete List
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 17, 2026, 10:57:38 am »
If others can be recalled, please post them.


Mary Miniter
Mary Corcoran
Mary Ann Lopez
Mary Cody
Mary Harrington
Mary Finnegan
Mary Healy
Mary Briscoe

Mary Loisey ( Evening World April 25th)
          Possible misspelling of (Mary Ann) Lopez
Mary Reilly  ( Evening World April 25th)

Mary Brennan - told story of Brown and a Broadway merchant
Mary Russell- claimed to have spent the night on the top floor on the 23rd.

Lizzie Carter -  Was said to have spent the night on the top floor on the 23rd.
Lizzie Meusbron or Mestrom
          Meusbron in the April 25th NY Sun
          Mestrom in the April 25th NY Times
          Both are real names, not misspellings.

Nellie English

Alice Sullivan
Annie Lynch April 25th NY Sun
Jenny Lynch April 28th NY Evening World
Catherine McGovern
Florence May
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Mary Phillips ( No connection to the case, but allegedly known by the nickname
'Shakespeare' and 'Crazy Mary'.
Annie Campbell- No connection to the case, local woman known as 'Shakespeare'.

Miniter, Harrington, Healy, Lopez, McGovern, English, Corcoran, and Sullivan testified at the trial.
Miniter, Harrington, Lopez, Corcoran, and Sullivan testified at the Coroner's Inquest.
Miniter, Carter, Healy, English, Sullivan, Lopez, and Briscoe taken together to Court on the 29th from the Tombs.
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General Discussion / Re: 1897 Major Theft Of Damon & Peets
« Last post by Howard Brown on January 16, 2026, 07:29:59 pm »
Seems Pop was a Major and not a Colonel ( Higher rank)

New York Tribune
December 28, 1914
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