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General Discussion / Bernie Wagenblast : Cannes Gold Award 2024
« on: June 19, 2024, 09:37:28 am »
Big pat on the back to Bernie Wagenblast, the subject of the short film, In Transit, which won the Cannes Gold Award in 2024.
The film is about Bernie's transition from a man to a woman.
Bernie didn't bat an eye when I asked him for help with some issues concerning Cranford, NJ. She is mentioned in the acknowledgements in our book, East Side Story.

Bernie is a great person. I'm proud to call her my friend.


https://www.intransit.nyc/short-film?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR057_w6vSvsXZ5EPkjXs41uihnEms0LrOiXFkVi1qZvOizCKcsC4dceZPg_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw

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General Discussion / Was There Another Hired Hand In Cranford?
« on: June 19, 2024, 09:15:01 am »
Some thoughts concerning the hired hand's alleged or actual trip to New York.
My view on the matter is that while I certainly don't believe Damon's alleged farmhand was C. Kniclo, Damon may
have had another man, beside the stableman with the broken arm who worked for him on Madison Avenue in Cranford.

 Did he take the entire day off?  If so, it is inconceivable that Damon or the hired hand with the broken arm didn't know where he was headed.  Damon did not refer to knowing where he went on the 23rd, a Thursday, which is typically a work day. It was typical for workers to have Sundays off in the 1890s and in some cases Saturdays.
Whether the man with the broken arm knew where he was going is unknown. Like everyone else working or living at Damon's home, they did not submit affidavits.
The hired hand would have told Damon or the broken arm man that he was taking off on that morning or the night before if he told them at all.
Damon expected the man to be ready for work on April 24th. The man with the broken arm informed Damon that the hired hand had had a rough night and was out of sorts.
The employer, Damon, doesn't get upset or even approach his employee over this unplanned day off.

If the hired hand didn't tell anyone where he was going, wouldn't they be interested the morning of the 24th as to where he'd been?
By this time, and according to Damon, the hired hand had been there since March, ample time for the three men to be within a comfort
level when they conversed. They weren't strangers.
Damon is the employer. It was perfectly within his right and reasonable that he would inquire where the man had been, even if only
out of curiosity.
According to the affidavits, Damon was already a little leery of the hired hand. His neighbor, John Lee, mentions that the man was
a rough sort. Where did Lee get this from other than from Damon? Why, therefore, did Damon continue to keep him as an employee?
The hired hand could have told both Damon and the broken-arm man he was in Manhattan or he could have lied and said Jersey City.

 Did he take off after a typical workday on Damon's estate? The main question here is why wouldn't he have told Damon or the man with the broken arm where he planned to go after work that day. Wouldn't it be more reasonable that he'd wait until the weekend to go drinking with the next day being one where he could rest after a night of partying?
     Cranford, in no way, shape, or form, was a town where a man could expect to find a saloon and women for sexual shenanigans in 1891. We can safely eliminate the possibility that the hired hand planned to spend a day or night in Cranford.

The hired hand, according to Damon, gave off a vibe that, in some way, unnerved Damon. Damon has a wife, a female servant, three
sons ( teenagers), and another hired hand with a broken arm at his home while he's at work in lower Manhattan.

An excerpt from John A. Lee's affidavit from May 1901(possibly the 31st):
I advised Mr. Damon to keep the matter quiet, as I did not believe that Frenchy could be convicted; moreover knowing the dangerous character of this man in question, I was afraid for the safety of my friend, Mr. Damon, and the safety of someone of his family, should the police fail to catch him.

Not just a shady character, but a dangerous character.

Speaking only for myself, I doubt that Damon had another hired hand working for him at the time of the murder.

I do not believe that if Damon did have a hired hand, the Danish Farmhand, working for him that he was C. Kniclo,
based on the description Damon himself gave in July 1901.

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General Discussion / The No-Shows
« on: June 19, 2024, 08:39:51 am »


Thread for discussing the possible impact these individuals may have had if they had appeared at the trial as witnesses.

 Mary Brennan
 Tom (or Michael) Kelly, from the Glenmore Hotel
 Charles Jansen ( the seaman)
 William Mannix
 Tommy Thompson

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 Bob Wilhelm, from Murder By Gaslight, announced that his second book in the Bloody Century series is coming soon.

Click on this link for a free copy of Murder Illustrated:

https://bloody-century.com/Home/SubscribeGift


The 1866 article mentioned below is in reference to an 1866 wholesale slaughter by a German immigrant named Anton Probst who axe-murdered a family of 8 in Philadelphia.

This is a link to Murder By Gaslight's latest edition, an overview of an axe-assault on six people by Frank Gouldy in 1858 Manhattan. The victims were his family and two female servants.  5 survived but with terrible after-effects.

https://www.murderbygaslight.com/2020/02/the-thirtieth-street-murder.html


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Carrie Brown Net  You Tube Channel June 16, 2024

1. Panorama of Blackwell's Island
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dMRu7ekdbg&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

2. Was Carrie Brown Another Ripper Victim ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFJgRcyBDGA&t=9s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

3. Island of Vice NYC In The 1890s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlTyK-iSVrE&t=407s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

4. Jacob Riis Photos of Lower East Side 1880's 1890's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGx8oWXQE1o&t=10s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

5. North River & Castle Garden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0wricrrlGI&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

6. Lower East Side River Tour 1903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82axkQB_Ofg&t=15s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

7. Luke Kummer Discussing The Brown Murder Case on The Douglas Coleman Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdKbGVEgCxQ&t=44s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

8. Introduction To Research Being Conducted 131 Years After the Murder by Howard & Nina Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6tT832i2AY&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

9. Where Carrie Brown Was Released From Prior To Her Murder : Blackwell's Island
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-HNmtC2sB0&t=43s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

10. Carrie Brown - A Ripper Murder ? R.Michael Gordon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TDKqLs8wMk&t=180s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

11. Cemetery Where Carrie Brown Is Buried
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6leP82xbumI&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

12. American Ripper - Murder of Carrie Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR3fOOT2ewY&t=19s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

13. Ike Ilkiw on Carrie Brown on the History Channel's American Ripper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qOOoUqKQsA&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=14&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

14. The 1891 East River Ripper Murder of Old Shakespeare w George R Dekle Sr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfMrWSWryIg&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=15&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

15. Ed Norris on Carrie Brown Murder 1 of 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ljHHvPon4I&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=16&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

16. Secrets of New York NYPD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=862fnCs1E6U&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=20&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

17. East River Hotel Tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf_cr4nrhUo&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=20&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

18. Was Jack The Ripper In NYC ?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FFz58D99iLI

19. Mysteries In The Museum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H7rmOBR1lQ&list=PLjRgnNfGoA48icSmbIXHCFccR40ND4jLz&index=23&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

20. Lower East Side 1897 Billy Bitzer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7U-fl9QSa0&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

21. The Five Scenarios: The Solution Within

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8pOe7vSE9Y&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

22. Did Ali Confess ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2inlTC61Oc&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

23. The East River Ripper: The Murder of Carrie Brown w. Dan Zupansky and author George R. Dekle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmBBE2RX3js&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=1&t=105s

24.  East Side Story 1891 Murder of Carrie Brown - Promo of the book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFqp1tXwLjU&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

25. New Yorkers Feared Jack the Ripper Invaded in 1891 After a Prostitute Was Found Brutally Murdered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0jxuXG0_b8&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

26. Jack The Ripper - Carrie Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLblEUbYdzQ&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

27. Carrie Brown Murder New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEdyTCo6K98&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

28. WashRippercast Pt.5 Jude & R. Michael Gordon dive deeper into the true identity of Jack the Ripper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7e-kw5Yf4&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

29. 1876 Panorama of The Lower East Side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lpM2YAE0OI&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

30. Howard Brown with Bernie Wagenblast : On The Cranford Connection to the Murder of Carrie Brown
      Taped May 20, 2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeGDk8I2-HA&t=1158s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

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Carrie Brown Net  You Tube Channel June 14, 2024


1. Panorama of Blackwell's Island
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dMRu7ekdbg&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

2. Was Carrie Brown Another Ripper Victim ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFJgRcyBDGA&t=9s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

3. Island of Vice NYC In The 1890s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlTyK-iSVrE&t=407s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

4. Jacob Riis Photos of Lower East Side 1880's 1890's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGx8oWXQE1o&t=10s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

5. North River & Castle Garden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0wricrrlGI&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

6. Lower East Side River Tour 1903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82axkQB_Ofg&t=15s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

7. Luke Kummer Discussing The Brown Murder Case on The Douglas Coleman Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdKbGVEgCxQ&t=44s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

8. Introduction To Research Being Conducted 131 Years After the Murder by Howard & Nina Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6tT832i2AY&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

9. Where Carrie Brown Was Released From Prior To Her Murder : Blackwell's Island
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-HNmtC2sB0&t=43s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

10. Carrie Brown - A Ripper Murder ? R.Michael Gordon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TDKqLs8wMk&t=180s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

11. Cemetery Where Carrie Brown Is Buried
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6leP82xbumI&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

12. American Ripper - Murder of Carrie Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR3fOOT2ewY&t=19s&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

13. Ike Ilkiw on Carrie Brown on the History Channel's American Ripper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qOOoUqKQsA&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=14&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

14. The 1891 East River Ripper Murder of Old Shakespeare w George R Dekle Sr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfMrWSWryIg&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=15&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

15. Ed Norris on Carrie Brown Murder 1 of 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ljHHvPon4I&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=16&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

16. Secrets of New York NYPD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=862fnCs1E6U&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=20&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

17. East River Hotel Tour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf_cr4nrhUo&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=20&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

18. Was Jack The Ripper In NYC ?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FFz58D99iLI

19. Mysteries In The Museum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H7rmOBR1lQ&list=PLjRgnNfGoA48icSmbIXHCFccR40ND4jLz&index=23&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

20. Lower East Side 1897 Billy Bitzer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7U-fl9QSa0&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

21. The Five Scenarios: The Solution Within

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8pOe7vSE9Y&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

22. Did Ali Confess ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2inlTC61Oc&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

23. The East River Ripper: The Murder of Carrie Brown w. Dan Zupansky and author George R. Dekle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmBBE2RX3js&list=UUpS5IJw_51kxLn132e2wwGg&index=1&t=105s

24.  East Side Story 1891 Murder of Carrie Brown - Promo of the book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFqp1tXwLjU&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

25. New Yorkers Feared Jack the Ripper Invaded in 1891 After a Prostitute Was Found Brutally Murdered

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0jxuXG0_b8&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

26. Jack The Ripper - Carrie Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLblEUbYdzQ&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

27. Carrie Brown Murder New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEdyTCo6K98&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

28. WashRippercast Pt.5 Jude & R. Michael Gordon dive deeper into the true identity of Jack the Ripper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI7e-kw5Yf4&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

29. 1876 Panorama of The Lower East Side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lpM2YAE0OI&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

30. Howard Brown On The Cranford Connection To The Carrie Brown Murder May 20, 2024 - Hosted by Bernie Wagenblast - Cranford Radio TV35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeGDk8I2-HA&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net



Plus:

Six Capsules- George R. Dekle ; The Murder of Helen Potts
https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/118-the-murder-of-helen-potts-w-george-r-dekle-sr/id1055044256?i=1000440682074

Catskill Ripper - Lizzie Halliday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OB0BmrvVkk&t=1466s&ab_channel=MostNotorious


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General Discussion / Re: 2024 Research
« on: June 14, 2024, 08:21:05 am »
Cranford Radio-May 20, 2024  Howard Brown & Bernie Wagenblast





Link to show:

https://www.buzzsprout.com/18987/15226274

On You Tube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeGDk8I2-HA&ab_channel=CarrieBrown.Net

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Many thanks to Bernie for asking me to appear on his radio program!

Link to program- 27 minutes

https://www.buzzsprout.com/18987/15226274

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His death is listed in the New York Times, on January 7, 1897:


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General Discussion / Re: 2024 Research
« on: June 12, 2024, 09:35:02 pm »
A sketch of Tommy Thompson was found on June 12th by Nina Brown...in the link below:

https://carriebrown.createaforum.com/sketches-photographs/tommy-thompson-1890-sketch-in-a-medical-advertisement/msg2644/#msg2644

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New York Sun
March 30, 1890
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  Tonight, Nina casually browsed for another East River Hotel photo. She switched gears and began looking for material on Tommy
Thompson.
  She found the following article, actually an advertisement for Drs. Copeland and Blair's Eye, Ear, Throat, and Lung cure. She found a sketch of Thompson.

This is the first time anyone has ever identified him by means of a photo or as in this case, a sketch.  Well done Nina !!!

 Thompson is registered twice in the 1889-1890 New York City Directory. I discovered this tonight. The arrows indicate the dual addresses he gave.

 The advertisement claims he is well and favorably known in addition to being a saloon keeper. Of course, at the time of the Brown Murder, he was a manager at the hotel.  We haven't been able to ascertain if he was a saloon-keeper as in he owned a saloon.  231 and 233 East 96th Street are shown in the photo.  The sketch doesn't show his right ear, the one which is missing a chunk according to an article in 1900.

  Nina found his will, dated October 29, 1896. His address was 233 E. 96th Street.  He left his possessions to his wife, Elizabeth A. Thompson.  He had no children. I've included the excerpt from his contentious Coroner Inquest testimony of May 13, 1891.

 He died on January 5, 1897. He was listed as 43. He was either born in 1853 or 1854. He gave his age as 39 at the Inquest which is at odds with the records.  Thompson  is buried at Cypress Hill Cemetery in Brooklyn.

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A couple of other points:

When Damon went to the Mulberry Street station on July 1st, he was accompanied by Robert G. Butler, editor of the New York Sun.
Butler sent Governor Odell a letter ( not counting his affidavit ) and a clipping of the May 1, 1891, New York Sun.
The clipping contained a sketch shown below:



Damon, accompanied by Butler and Ovide Robillard, the head of the latest pardon campaign on behalf of the French, went specifically to find out what Ali looked like. If you've read East Side Story, I go into detail about this important juncture of the events in 1901.

If Damon, upon finding out what Ali looked like, told Butler and Robillard that his hired hand didn't have a mustache and had a flat nose, it would be difficult to understand how Butler would not pick up on this discrepancy immediately. After all, he sent in the clipping shown above to the Governor on the very same day Damon filed his third affidavit, July 2, 1901.

The other thing worth mulling over is how this discrepancy got past Governor Odell. Odell didn't just blindly accept what Damon had told him. We know this because he had DA Philbin in New York send Detective Robert McNaught to find out whether the key could be authenticated.
Odell was the person who sent a photo of Ali ( the one Pete Damgaard found ) to Philbin to pass on to Damon.
Yet, the discrepancy between Damon's farmhand in Damon's sworn affidavit and the actual features of the man who accompanied Carrie Brown somehow escaped him.

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List of reasons why the evidence was accepted and yet not authenticated:

1. A lingering doubt that Amer Ben Ali had been wrongfully convicted. Either by 'faulty' science or possibly a frame-up. Members of the press, the French consul, and possibly a police inspector who approached Governor Odell in 1901 ( 'Clubber' Williams ) believed Ali was innocent. This position was known to the Governors ( Flower, Morton, Black, Roosevelt, and Odell).

2. Damon came forward with two people who corroborated his affidavits, John A. Lee and Charles Brennan.

3. Damon had a letter vouching for him from the Governor of New Jersey.

4. He brought something tangible: a key.  Gov. Roosevelt had stated in 1900 that unless something tangible surfaced, he wouldn't be signing a pardon. He probably spoke for future Governors.

5. He had a story ( the Danish Farmhand saga ) that gave the State a new, theoretical suspect/murderer.

6. The State of New York may have decided to accept the story and key due to the number of previous requests from the French. Diplomacy and all that.

The commutation was not a pardon. It's been suggested that like the compromise verdict at trial, the release but without pardon was also a compromise solution.
His release may have been a combination of all or some of the items mentioned above.


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Discussion of the two items, one tangible, that George Damon presented to New York authorities in 1901.

The Key:

Damon presents a brass key which has a tag with the number 31 affixed. He claims that he and Charles Brennan, an employee at Damon & Peets Printers for several years, went to the East River Hotel shortly after the murder and went into the bar room.
There, Damon compared a key left by a roomer on the bar. According to Damon and Brennan the key matched the one supposedly left in Cranford. They file affidavits regarding their visit to the hotel.

James Jennings, the former proprietor of the hotel, is shown the key. Jennings also files an affidavit stating that the 'Damon key' does not match the type of key used on the fifth floor when he was its proprietor.
The reason is that on the fifth floor, only keys made of iron were used. Damon brought forward a key made of brass.

The Man's Description:

Damon states in his July 2nd, 1901 affidavit that his hired hand, referred to as the 'Danish Farmhand' in the media, had a flat nose, a hitch to his step ( a deformity or condition brought upon by injury with one leg being shorter than the other) and no facial hair. At no time did Damon recall the man having a mustache.

Mary Miniter described the man she saw enter the hotel with Carrie Brown having a long, sharp nose. He also had a heavy mustache. At no time did she mention an obvious physical characteristic such as a hitch in the man's step and she did she him walking on the night of the 23rd.
There is a possibility that a man who entered the Glenmore Hotel early ( 2 am) on the 24th was the man who Miniter described. His physical features were noticed by night clerk Thomas or Michael Kelly. Kelly did not notice a hitch in the man's step and he escorted the man out of the Glenmore. Kelly's description of the man matched Miniter's description of the man in several ways.

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Robert McNaught, the central office (DA) detective assigned by DA Eugene Philbin to authenticate the key, could not do so. There had been some renovations to the hotel following a fire sometime AFTER the Brown murder and not during 1891. Jennings was not the proprietor when these renovations were done. His affidavit referred specifically to keys in use when Damon claimed he matched the keys before renovations were made at the hotel after 1891.

Mary Miniter described the man with Brown on April 24th. She repeated it on May 13th at the Coroner's Inquest. She repeated it on the witness stand at the trial on June 30th. There is no mention of a hitch in the man's step or the absence of facial hair(mustache) at any time, nor had his nose changed from long and sharp to flat(Damon's description).

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