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Howard Brown · « **on:** September 19, 2022, 05:18:42 pm »

Two PDF's entitled Yungstreet Andersen, the name of a man found in the NY World by Youngstreet Franzoi.... probably no relation, but you never know : )..........

guest5 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 19, 2022, 09:20:28 pm »

I know that some American newspapers will change the name of a person for liability reasons or what-not, as in the case of the Brame story of the Ripper in Chile where, in the Galveston Daily News, John Anderson became Sanderson, etc. But New York papers don't seem to do that. So this man arrested for drunkenness called himself Yungstreet! He can't even say his first name while drunk?

With a name like Yungstreet, it sounds like he could come from TO!!

guest5 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 20, 2022, 06:05:46 pm »

Yungstreet Anderson was found on a thread of NY World articles on another site. This was during research on the candidate, for George Damon’s hired-hand Frank, named Frank Anderson.

We all mostly agree now that “Frank” was Carrie’s killer. He had the key to the room, etc.

So I can give you a rundown on why Frank Anderson makes a good candidate for “Frank” besides the coincidence of another 30 year old Swedish sailor with the same last name being arrested who said he was at the Hotel the night of the murder.

guest5 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 21, 2022, 01:51:14 am »

I guess I have to get the failed the "line-up" possibility out of the way first. Was Yungstreet taken before witness Mary Miniter to see if she could ID him as C. Kniclo? It doesn't look that way unless she was being kept at Police Headquarters but I think she was kept in the Tombs.

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...A reporter for THE WORLD, who went aboard the Colorado last night, found Rossmissell in a very uneasy frame of mind. He said that it had occurred to him that he answered the description of the murderer, and added that on the night of the murder he was aboard the ship. He is under police surveillance and is to be brought face to face with Mary Miniter today.
The number of persons who visited the Morgue yesterday and asked permission to look at the body of old "Shakespeare" was very large. The attendant, Mr. Finnegan, denied permission to many, some of whom were from the Fourth Ward. During the afternoon a man who said he was John F. Flower, of No. 849 East One Hundred and Sixty-first street, came in and said he had employed old "Shakespeare" as a servant two years ago. She told him then that she had married Charles Brown, captain of a ship, but that he had died. He had not seen her for nearly two years.

ANDERSEN'S STRAIGHT STORY.

Among the prisoners taken to the Seventh Precinct Police Station yesterday afternoon was a man about thirty years old, who had been arrested on a charge of being drunk and disorderly on the street.
When arraigned at the bar his appearance, features, height, age and dress so closely resembled the description of the East River Hotel murderer that the officer on duty began to question him.
He replied to the questions promptly, and although under the influence of liquor quickly appreciated the fact that he was suspected of being the murderer of the old woman. "I am not in any way connected with that crime," he said, "but I did spend a night at the hotel where the murder was committed - the same night the woman was killed." I went there with a female companion, hired a room and we slept there. I left the next morning, and knew nothing of the crime until I saw it in the papers." The man gave the name of Yungstreet Andersen, thirty years old, a Swede, and said he was a seafaring man with no home in this city.
He was sent to Police Headquarters and after being examined by Inspector Byrnes, was returned to the station-house, where he was released yesterday, after being fined for intoxication.

Howard Brown · « **Reply #4 on:** September 21, 2022, 04:09:24 am »

She, along with six others, occupied the seven cells at the precinct station. ( NY Evening World, April 25th)
The World article you brought up has him at the station on the 26th.
In addition, Byrnes cleared him. She could have been on the Moon and they'd take potential candidates for C. Kniclo to her or her to them. Her location is irrelevant.

Andersen is just one in a litany of men brought before Miniter for identification purposes.
Byrnes' dismissal of Russmissell and Andersen is satisfactory for me, IMHO. They dragged Miniter all over the area for days looking for C. Kniclo. Hard to believe they'd skip over Andersen.

Howard Brown · « **Reply #5 on:** September 21, 2022, 02:49:16 pm »

This is from the NY Evening World, April 25th...I overlooked it this morning

List of detainees :

So, it is probable that Miniter was in the Tombs on April 25th and most likely on the 26th. If Yungstreet Andersen raised sufficient interest as a potential suspect, I think it is safe to say that Miniter was taken in to the 7th Precinct to give him the once over.

I'm curious as to why you pursue the theory that Andersen was 'Frank'.

Because Andersen didn't have the key, didn't work in Cranford, & wasn't in Cranford on the day of the murder ( 24th). Pursuing him, your prerogative of course, runs contrary to the position that you've maintained that the key was necessary to open the door of room 31 since Andersen didn't have it. Andersen probably didn't know Cranford from cranberries.

guest5 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 21, 2022, 03:39:04 pm »

Frank Anderson arrived and deserted on the 20th and would have left NY sometime after the murder. He’s next registered in the Dreadnaught Seamen’s Hospital in London the following year.

I don’t believe anything George Damon says except that he picked up a Scandinavian sailor named Frank and that he left one day,
leaving behind the key to Room 31 and bloody clothes.

I can leave Yungstreet Anderson out of the equation, even if I’m not convinced he “passed” a “line-up” and list reasons why I have Frank Anderson as Frank.

Howard Brown · « **Reply #7 on:** September 21, 2022, 03:48:23 pm »

I don’t believe anything George Damon says except that he picked up a Scandinavian sailor named Frank and that he left one day,
leaving behind the key to Room 31 and bloody clothes.

Sorta makes zero sense for Andersen-as-murderer to return to the area, doesn't it ?
Sort of makes less sense for risking being placed before Miniter who would have remembered him instantly.

Howard Brown · « **Reply #8 on:** September 21, 2022, 03:58:24 pm »

I don’t believe anything George Damon says except that he picked up a Scandinavian sailor named Frank and that he left one day,
leaving behind the key to Room 31 and bloody clothes.

Actually, this is the seminal part ( believable or not) of what Damon said in 1901....and what had Ali released from prison.
Anything else he said can be and will be scrutinized....but you're claiming that the murderer left the key to room 31 in Cranford. That's cool.
It also gets Yungstreet off the hook. Not only was the Danish Farmhand there on the 24th ( according to Damon) but unless he was retarded, he didn't go back to
Manhattan and get drunk.

guest5 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 21, 2022, 05:13:17 pm »

How does being in New Jersey on the 24th get the Farmhand off the hook or get Yungstreet off the hook for being the Farmhand and/or the murderer?

It should be noted that we’re talking about 3 characters - Frank (the Farmhand/sailor), Frank Anderson (the sailor) and Yungstreet Anderson (the sailor). If they’re not the same person as I’m theorizing, then they’re either 3 or 2 different people. Yungstreet and Farmhand Frank were by evidence or confession at the scene of the crime but you can divide the 3 up into 2 anyway you want.

Howard Brown · « **Reply #10 on:** September 21, 2022, 05:38:23 pm »

How does being in New Jersey on the 24th get the Farmhand off the hook or get Yungstreet off the hook for being the Farmhand and/or the murderer?

It should be noted that we’re talking about 3 characters - Frank (the Farmhand/sailor), Frank Anderson (the sailor) and Yungstreet Anderson (the sailor). If they’re not the same person as I’m theorizing, then they’re either 3 or 2 different people. Yungstreet and Farmhand Frank were by evidence or confession at the scene of the crime but you can divide the 3 up into 2 anyway you want.

I didn't say that being back in Cranford on the 24th got the Farmhand off the hook.

If the Farmhand was too shitfaced from the night of the 23rd....couldn't work on the 24th...he damned sure worked on the 25th. Damon does not say he took two days off only the 24th. In fact, Damon stated he left 5 to 10 days later....again, open to scrutiny.

Yungstreet was questioned by Byrnes and released shortly afterwards. Other men, like William Bekle and Adolph Kallenberg, apparently were 'better' suspects than Yungstreet and detained. Yungstreet was released for good cause. He wasn't C. Kniclo.

Why on earth would Yungstreet-as-Farmhand go back into the area right in the midst of a manhunt....and to top it off...get drunk and disorderly ? Makes no sense.

guest5 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 21, 2022, 08:40:46 pm »

I’ve eliminated hundreds of Farmhand (sailor) candidates for reasons of “not making sense” such as being a immigrant fresh out of the Barge Office, and becoming a landlubber and getting married in Minnesota and leading a normal life. Next!

Howard Brown · « **Reply #12 on:** September 22, 2022, 04:15:19 pm »

I’ve eliminated hundreds of Farmhand (sailor) candidates for reasons of “not making sense” such as being a immigrant fresh out of the Barge Office, and becoming a landlubber and getting married in Minnesota and leading a normal life. Next!

Eliminating the number of men that you or anyone else has is a good thing. It's a worthwhile venture, IMHO.
Trouble is, there's no guarantee that Damon's farmhand's first name was Frank.

guest5 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 22, 2022, 06:09:34 pm »

I went through every variation of Arthur Nelson, when looking for the Mad Trapper, until I finally decided his name wasn't Arthur Nelson.

If Frank isn't Frank Anderson, I'll finally decide his name wasn't Frank.

guest5 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 22, 2022, 06:14:48 pm »

Some might say Frank could have come in on a non-British ship and/or one not registered in the Atlantic Provinces but I think the killer was a London regular who was present around the time of the Whitechapel Murders and copied them, so he'd be in the Canadian/British Crew Records collection.

Frank Anderson was found in this record: Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, 1789-1935

Frank also wouldn't have taken the farmhand job unless he was discharged or deserted in New York. So any short layover-possibilities of several days in NY, for ships not registered in the Canadian Maritime Ports, around April 24, 1891 which would not be specifically recorded in the available crew records, but only in ship arrival and departure records in the journals and papers, would not count in my estimation. Desertions and discharges from non-British ships or British ships that only go between the Caribbean and NY might count if I didn't believe he was a London regular.

By comparison, Fiegebaum was on German ships and might not have been in London. LaBruckman, according to Conlon, was on National Lines passenger ships. Examples of merchant crew coming to New York on British shipping should well be findable like Frank Anderson.

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