Carrie Brown : Murder In The East River Hotel

I can certainly believe his playing passed-out-drunk in the hallway was part of his ploy to enter rooms.

For some reason, I thought he was passed out on the landing of the stairs. (Maybe I was confusing him with Martha Tabram). In the hall, he can sneak a peek at what room was exited.

In the Brown case, there's a good cause to convict and at the same time, acquit, each of its two suspects, IMHO.

The Brown case still has only a Moniker or Placeholder Name for one of his main suspects. C Kniclo, as we all know, is not his real name so it's no better that the name Jack the Ripper or Astrakhan Man.

I might even make a bold comparison of the two cases if I believe in the witness Hutchinson standing at the entry to Millers Court who saw Mary Kelly with Astrakhan and equate him to the clerk Fitzgerald sitting at the front desk of the East River Hotel seeing Carrie and Kniclo. But without the good corroboration of his presence and no verifiable or comparable official capacity such as Fitzgerald, it's hard to make Millers Court into a legitimate Locked Room acceptable to all, so it's like an Open Door Policy and everyone gets put into the Ripper mix who maybe shouldn't be.

In the Brown case, there's a good cause to convict and at the same time, acquit, each of its two suspects, IMHO.   - Me

The Brown case still has only a Moniker or Placeholder Name for one of his main suspects. C Kniclo, as we all know, is not his real name so it's no better that the name Jack the Ripper or Astrakhan Man. - You

I might even make a bold comparison of the two cases if I believe in the witness Hutchinson standing at the entry to Millers Court who saw Mary Kelly with Astrakhan and equate him to the clerk Fitzgerald sitting at the front desk of the East River Hotel seeing Carrie and Kniclo. - You

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You keep forgetting that Fitzgerald did not see Carrie Brown and C. Kniclo together.  Only Miniter did.

What are you suggesting when you state that C.Kniclo is only a placeholder name ?  What are you driving at ?

Did I read something written in a post which was edited that said CB had real viable "suspects" as opposed to JtR? I may have imagined it. But I wanted to point out that C Kniclo is not his name for those who might want to ID him.

You sure did and I said it.  C.Kniclo, the name used to designate the man with Browm, was not the man's real name. That's a basic fact.
And there is no evidence against any of the 'suspects' in that other series other than hearsay.

A real example of a real Locked Room Mystery or an unsolved case that is unsolved despite the fact that it’s a “Locked Room” is this one:

A girl gets a phoney job offer. She agrees to take it and meets the guy who gave her the phoney job so he can take her to the phoney job. She disappears. Her remains are found but there’s no forensic evidence. The case goes cold.

If we go with “C Kniclo” as the killer and have him having to lock the door with the key, and if we discard  a pee break as Ali’s window to get in the room, and get “innocent” contamination, because of the availability of bed pans, couldn’t we come up with a new “locked room” “window scenario” using a possible initial, failed escape attempt through the roof?

I do consider the probability of C Kniclo locking the door and taking the key a definite master stroke.

Using this logic then every time I lock a door after departing from a room then that's a master stroke ?
He either leaves the door open or he locks it. There wasn't a lot of grey matter involved in this decision making.


More on this roof issue.

This is an excerpt from an early newspaper report ( NY World).  Take note of what is being suggested.

It is suggesting that the killer could have gone over to Room 31 and from there, while Ali was still in the room and sleeping like a baby, exited through a window.
That would be a neat trick considering the murder was committed in Room 31.
It's an example of some of the bizarre excuses concocted to try and get Ali off the hook concerning the blood.
There were no windows in Ali's room or any room on that side of that fifth floor corridor.
Remember, this is a reporter wasting his time and the reader's time on some idiotic and impossible scenario in an attempt to scoop a competitor.
It's no wonder the defense team didn't use this idea at the trial.